Vote On the Most Shameful Wikipedia Spin Jobs -- UPDATED
Caltech graduate student Virgil Griffith just launched an unofficial Wikipedia search tool that threatens to lay bare the ego-editing and anonymous flacking on the site. Enter the name of a corporation, organization or government entity and you get a list of IP addresses assigned to it. Then with one or two clicks, you can see all the anonymous edits made from those addresses anywhere in Wikipedia's pages.
Griffith's work is a neat example of what can be uncovered just by reorganizing public information. Wired News writer John Borland has the full story here.
THREAT LEVEL predicts a lot of sad, embarrassing secrets will emerge from this project once netizens dive into it -- and we'd like to be a part of that. So visit the Wikipedia Scanner and do some sleuthing. Post what you find here on our wall of shame, where you can join other Wired News readers in voting submissions up or down. We've seeded the list with a few finds of our own. Happy hunting!
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Update: 8/16/2007
I've been checking a lot of the too-good-to-be-true submissions, and they keep turning out to be true. (I deleted a couple exceptions.) If you're skeptical about any of these, you can check the IP address yourself at the ARIN whois. Let me know by e-mail or in the comments if you find any bogus sightings. It would be hard to invent anything that competes with the truth.
Show contributions that are: hot | new | top-rated or submit your own sighting
Submit a Wikipedia Spin Job
If you've found your own wacky wiki-chicanary, submit it here. Fill in the URL for the Wikipedia "diff" page showing the suspect edit. Explain it in the description field, give your post a good title, and you're off. You can submit as many finds as you like but you can only submit one every 15 minutes. No HTML allowed.


Posted by: Josh | Aug 14, 2007 9:25:03 AM
Someone look up and post Supreme Commander's edits to Derek Smart - everyone is 99.99% sure Supreme Commander is Derek Smart (after all, that IS his handle).
Posted by: Kazan | Aug 14, 2007 9:38:02 AM
fox news immature???...that is a rhetorical question...isn't it???
Posted by: mz ravin black | Aug 14, 2007 11:27:25 AM
It's about damn time this was put in place, gotta keep them honest, or at least scrutinized.
Posted by: jeremy | Aug 14, 2007 11:41:59 AM
All this will do is drive organized wiki-spin-control "underground" - companies will ask employees to make edits from home or via proxy.
It also makes possible reverse spinning by doing controversial edits against oneself using the IP-spoofed address of a rival you wish to 'expose' as a wiki-spinner.
Posted by: Greg | Aug 14, 2007 12:34:01 PM
I'm surprised they don't just use a IP spoofer / anonymizer such as Tor to accomplish anonymous edits.
www.katurday.com
Posted by: Ed | Aug 14, 2007 12:47:25 PM
On the other hand, if someone writes an entry about me and it's not objective, is it wrong for me to delete or correct it?
(Are my opinions on myself authoritative?)
The entry about Bush being a "jerk, jerk, jerk" may amuse, but Wikipedia is hardly the place for that.
Posted by: perf | Aug 14, 2007 1:03:06 PM
I can't believe the author of the post "Mean spirited republican spoils Harry Potter for thousands of people" included the spoiler! There are still those of us who haven't finished the book yet. =(
Posted by: Lauren | Aug 14, 2007 2:17:30 PM
Remove the spoiler from the post "Mean spirited republican spoils Harry Potter for thousands of people" -- or change the title to "Mean spirited Wired contributor keeps Harry Potter spoiler alive"
Posted by: iisan7 | Aug 14, 2007 3:59:25 PM
I've removed the spoiler.
Posted by: Kevin Poulsen | Aug 14, 2007 4:05:38 PM
well the esr isn't completely false.
Posted by: james | Aug 14, 2007 4:32:28 PM
LOL @ Potter Spoiler...
Posted by: NinjaPirate | Aug 14, 2007 7:38:31 PM
Um, the NYT's one needs to be just "babies" instead of "dead babies" and it should be "Tom" instead of "Tome".
Posted by: NinjaPirate | Aug 14, 2007 7:48:48 PM
Check the actual history of the article on these "spin jobs" before you vote!
Anybody can add items to these lists, and not all of them are malicious. Some of them are edits of unverified material and unsourced material, others are spam removal. Just because somebody removed objectionable, unprovable, or controversial content doesn't mean it was a spin job.
Posted by: Bryan | Aug 14, 2007 7:50:12 PM
I knew republicans were greedy and amoral, but I didn't realize they cornered the market on wikipedia spin.
It sure is lucky that lefties are around to define the real truth.
Posted by: D | Aug 15, 2007 7:23:15 AM
Bryan--Most of these (90 %) can
be seen as spin jobs by people
willing to look past their own
nose and political affiliations.
A rose is a rose. The NY times
shows itself to be the bastion
of propeer journalistic ethics eh?
So much for all the "SPIN" coming from
fox news. Keith Obermann a liberal?
Who would'a thunk?
P.S. It takes nothing more than the Mustang, OK edit to see why a lot of
people take all liberals to be elitist snobs. Tell us what you really think NY Times!
Posted by: | Aug 15, 2007 10:24:02 AM
Least I get corrected: "proper" journalistic ethics. We all make mistakes, like the NY Times employing
someone who insults grown women with
childish remarks. Where are all the feminists attacking the NYT's huh??
Posted by: | Aug 15, 2007 10:26:11 AM
There are different amounts of required time between posts listed on the front page (15) and on the mechanism itself (20), and it looks like the counter resets to zero on failed posts as well as successful ones. I tried to post something for like an hour this morning, before giving up.
Posted by: Vlad | Aug 15, 2007 12:11:57 PM
Please pardon my ignorance, but the meaning of the voting arrows is anything but obvious. If one clicks the upward, green arrow on a report, is one
- approving the original content of the wiki article?
- approving the critic's criticism of the edit?
- approving the changed version of the article?
- approving the edit?
Please provide explanation.
Posted by: inkling | Aug 15, 2007 2:28:51 PM
Griffith's search tool, itself, may express a bias of its own; namely, that the edit of an article by those whom the article addresses necessarily degrades the quality of the article.
The simple fact that an entity (like, for example, a corporation like Diebold) edits an article relating to itself, does not imply that the edit produces a falsehood.
It DOES follow that the edit most likely produces an article more favorable to that entity. But how do we know that the more favorable reading is not the correct one?
Thus, Griffith's tool produces a datum that is not really an indicator of the accuracy of the article, and should not be considered when evaluating the factual accuracy of the article.
Posted by: inkling | Aug 15, 2007 2:37:46 PM
i was confused about the darn arrows too...but mostly...who knew? who told? who cares?
truly, it is only what one wants to believe anyway...i have seen very little that was down right falsehoods...in fact one that was down right intentional and needed some help...but still, wikipedia is a good source and there goes all the fun again!!!
Posted by: mz ravin black | Aug 15, 2007 4:23:02 PM
one more thing about this...i have tried to explain to the brits before to use a "z" instead of an "s"...yet...this is the headlin caused by this debacle...
Wikipedia 'shows CIA page edits'
An online tool that claims to reveal the identity of organisations that edit Wikipedia pages has revealed that the CIA was involved in editing entries.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6947532.stm
now, the brits think the cia is having organisms around here...let me repeat...NO ONE IS GETTING ANY SEX AROUND HERE...& that needs to change!!!
Posted by: mz ravin black | Aug 15, 2007 4:28:13 PM
re: Sony removing DRM criticisms from Blu-Ray article.
The edit does not show this at all. Check the diff, it's a very fair and vaid edit. Unfortuantly news sites are simply looking here and reporting, rather than checking the diff.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41717
Posted by: Steve | Aug 16, 2007 12:38:44 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Wells_%28intelligent_design_advocate%29
Moonies trying to whitewash fellow Moonie's AIDS denialism
Posted by: Red Dog | Aug 16, 2007 7:47:09 AM
...It DOES follow that the edit most likely produces an article more favorable to that entity. But how do we know that the more favorable reading is not the correct one?
Thus, Griffith's tool produces a datum that is not really an indicator of the accuracy of the article, and should not be considered when evaluating the factual accuracy of the article.....
ARE YOU A COMPLETE MORON OR WHAT?
So now people can no longer judge facts objectively? Gosh I don't know
but when they start saying that Bill Clinton was born in Hot Dog, Arkansas
I think that is a verifiable falsehood. How do we know the more favorable reading is not the correct one (in the case of positive re-edits?)
Oh I don't know CHECKING THE FACTS MAYBE?! MORON!
Posted by: | Aug 16, 2007 8:46:26 AM
MZ RAVEN TAKE YOUR DRUG-INDUCED
STUPID NON-RELAVENT COMMENTS SOMEWHERE
ELSE. ENOUGH OF YOUR@#$# ALREADY.
Posted by: | Aug 16, 2007 8:47:50 AM
now, the brits think the cia is having organisms...
HUH? ORGANISMS? GET LOST "RAVIN" ~!~!
Posted by: | Aug 16, 2007 8:49:06 AM
sore losers
Posted by: mz ravin black | Aug 16, 2007 6:29:35 PM
uhuh. Stay off those drugs ravin.
Posted by: | Aug 17, 2007 8:53:20 AM
went to johnathon wells...it is just what it is...what they think...very little of it is true...in fact i agree with some of it...but that doesn't mean i wouold agree with much else or how the arrive at the points of agreement!!!
even a broken clock is right twice a day!!!
Posted by: mz ravin black | Aug 17, 2007 9:05:00 AM
Seriously at what point did
you loose your mind? Please respond.
Why do you speak in such odd syntex?
On purpose? Drugs? I worry mz ravin
honesty you scare me.
Posted by: | Aug 17, 2007 9:11:56 AM
It seems interesting that Wikipedia has censored itself. They've also used their IRC channel to try to get more people to vote "no" to "sink" the story...
Posted by: Blissyu2 | Aug 17, 2007 11:52:25 AM
I noticed this comment at the top:
"Update: 8/17/2007
A Wikimedia Foundation employee really did edit Virgil Griffith's entry today, but only to cut a false claim that Griffith was employed by the foundation to create the scanner. "
Why does Wired think its a false claim? It was mentioned by Ohmynews, and is verifiable. And why do they think that a WMF employee should be getting rid of a false claim?
This just gets fishier every day.
Posted by: Blissyu2 | Aug 17, 2007 1:54:58 PM
Sorry to get all picayunish (sp?) and stuff, but ... what in the hell is the "yes" vote for? Revelation? Accuracy? Taste?
And the "no" vote ... whether the moon's up?
Maybe a little late to ask the obvious, but I've just been wondering since day one.
Posted by: TJ | Aug 17, 2007 3:47:38 PM
So, I'm guessing the next article will be the one where Wired shows where the IP addresses of the votes on this page lead to?? :)
(IE if you "cleaned" a wiki entry, you probably don't want your edits in the top 10 above!)
Posted by: Aha! | Aug 17, 2007 6:57:57 PM
Wikimedia has some insightful critics, but blissyu2 is not one of them. Removing a false "fact" reported by a sloppy journalist is not exactly the hot whitewashing story one might hope for... or any whitewashing story at all. I'd be more worried if someone didn't remove incorrect info from it.
Posted by: Kat | Aug 17, 2007 9:39:37 PM
Removing sourced material is bad form. Wired is now falsely asserting that it was incorrect in the article itself.
I am not one of Wikipedia's greatest critics? Of course, not according to Wikipedia. According to everyone else, yes I am.
http://wikipediareview.com/
http://wikipediareview.com/blog/
Wikipedia likes to get rid of all of their real critics and replace them with right hand men.
Posted by: Blissyu2 | Aug 17, 2007 11:56:51 PM
"Dow removes references to Bhopal, Agent Orange, Breast Implants" :(
Posted by: B.B. Blacksheep | Aug 18, 2007 11:40:52 AM
"Dow removes references to Bhopal, Agent Orange, Breast Implants" :(
Posted by: B.B. Blacksheep | Aug 18, 2007 11:41:38 AM
"Dow removes references to Bhopal, Agent Orange, Breast Implants"
Not quite.
It seems Kenneth got older and newer confused here - the IP in question did in fact not delete references, but updated information and *linked to a separate in-depth article about Bhopal*.
The actual diffs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dow_Chemical_Company&diff=19783689&oldid=19781434
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dow_Chemical_Company&diff=19783765&oldid=19783689
There are further edits to the Dow article from this IP which just add more information to the Operation Locations section.
People, do not read just the summaries before you vote. >:(
Posted by: B.B. Blacksheep | Aug 18, 2007 11:42:33 AM
right to privacy...does anyone have the right to just get ip addresses...if they are against the patriot act...then, they have no right to the ip addresses relating to wikipedia
Posted by: | Aug 18, 2007 11:53:09 AM
just for the record...
defamation...the publication of anything injurious to the good name or reputation of another, or which tends to bring him into disrepute. A defamation designed to be read is a libel; an oral defamation is a slander 207 N.E. 2d 482, 484. There is no legal cause of action called a defamation: "libel and slander may be founded on defamation, but the right of action itself is libel or slander..." 221 So. 2d 772, 775
libel...a tort consisiting of a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming one who is living; (spoken defamation is called slander). In tort law, only a living person may be defamed; statutes in several states have made defamation of the dead a crime but no civil liability has been implied. Prosser & Keeton, Torts 795 (5th ed. 1984). "Libel" includes "any unpriviledged, false and malicious publication which by printing, writing, signs or pictures tends to expose a person to public scorn, hatred, contempt or ridicule...and also embraced therein is any such publication that relates to a person's office, trade, business or employment, if the publication imputes to him some incapacity or lack of due qualificaitons to fill the position, or some positive past misconduct which will injuriously affect him in it." 252A. 2d 755, 772. The truth of the published statement creates a valid defense to an action for libel.
The First Amendment protects the press against certain libel actions unless actual malice is show. Public officials and public figures must prove that the published information is false and that the defendant published it with reckless disregard of the truth. 376 U.S. 254 (public officials); 388 U.S. 130 (public figures). In contrast, the common law presumed that published information was false and forced the publisher to prove its truthfulness. The consitutuional limitation does not apply to defamation by a newspaper or private persons, where only some degree of fault on the part of the newspapern is required. 418 U.S. 323, 347. See also seditious libel. Compare slander.
slander...defamation; words falsely spoken that tend to damage the reputation of another. See 260 S.W. 523, 525. Under modern legal and constitutional concepts, slander is limited to false remarks inasmuch as truth is an absolute defense to an action for slander.
Unlike libel, slanderous utterances may not be actionable without proof of actual temporal damages. Only where the words impute crime, loathsome disease or unchastity, or when they relate to an individual's business or profession is this requirement of proving "special damages" dispensed with. Prosser & Keeton, Torts 788 (5th ed. 1984) Slander may take the form of wither SLANDER PER SE OR SLANDER PER QUOD. If the defamatory meaning is apparent on the face of the statement, then the statement is slanderous per se. If the defamatory meaning arises only from extrinsic facts, not apparent upon the face of the statement, then the statement is slanderous per quod. See id. at 748.
black's law dictionary
Posted by: mz ravin black | Aug 18, 2007 11:54:44 AM
if anyone can get info on mr (rev) moon's first marriage and children...he has two children listed on the true family tree that are not suppose to belong to his true mother wife han hak...
just updated to his page...thankz!!!
if not i will still find that info...i just not sure how good korean or soviet records were back in the 1920's & 30's...the 40's has to be alittle better...
Posted by: mz ravin black | Aug 18, 2007 12:00:37 PM
I checked the AlJazeera (the one about anti-Semitism) edit but ARIN whois traced the IP address to RIPE Network in Amsterdam, NL. Tell me how you knew that it was AlJazeera?
Posted by: fuzzylog | Aug 18, 2007 7:32:50 PM
The EBAY/PAYPAL entry is misinformed
("Ebay deletes criticism of Paypal").
To be fair, the edit in question did NOT delete criticism, it split the paragraph in two, adding a new subheading "CRITICISMS" to the criticism part, which is shown in its entirety.
Posted by: | Aug 19, 2007 4:49:23 AM
Its reassuring to see that the vast majority of these articles are immediately corrected. If you find any political or religious group or corporation on this list, you should NEVER EVER EVER BELIEVE A WORD THEY SPEW OUT OF THEIR FILTHY LITTLE MOUTHS EVER AGAIN. BE MILITANT ABOUT THIS AND THEIR SUCCESSORS WILL THINK TWICE BEFORE TRYING TO ALTER HISTORY
Posted by: Tytus | Aug 19, 2007 9:08:03 AM
The Occidental Petroleum case is mentioned twice.
Posted by: | Aug 19, 2007 10:23:57 AM
I find it interesting that as of now, 42 people think that an ACLU member saying that the Pope's official duties include molesting boys and degrading women deserves to be "Down" marked, vs. 78 "Up" marked.
Why should so many people (1/3) find anti-Catholicism so appealing? Or is it that the ACLU can do now wrong?
Equating priests with pedophilia is a meme, and at that it is overexpressed as being a specific Catholic problem, probably because the mistaken belief that celibacy is a cause, and the newsworthy nature of big dollar settlements against the wealthy Catholic church.
But every indication is that such abuses are no more common in (catholic) priests than they are in any other clergy or civic leaders. It just seems like Priests and Boy Scout leaders are the unequally targeted mascots of this depravity.
Posted by: Christopher | Aug 19, 2007 4:15:10 PM
anti catholicism...well, mr.(rev) moon for one...the ACLU (the know all of know alls) defended oliver north & mr. moon...would they defend u or i...doubtful...ok, no they would not!!!
mr. moon in a speech stated that they had to rid the world of "ism"...i thought...oh that is where the right-wing came up with the islamism word lately...do they plan on adding it to the dictionary???...i thought the word was islamists...
about celibacy...it is about serving the community...if they were married they would have other things on their mind...and the less sex...the less the sex drive...if they don't think about it...
of course, moon has everyone working to pay for his family's luxuries...and to bow to him and his family!!!
Posted by: mz ravin black | Aug 19, 2007 6:55:49 PM
wikipedia blows
and wired is boring
editrevise/revamp/delete that.
Posted by: shawn | Aug 19, 2007 11:13:52 PM
What Ravin? You make no sense at all!
The Reverand Moon isn't Catholic. The ACLU and Oliver North has nothing to do with Catholicism either.
Your post wanders and makes no sense. You seem to be some kind of leftist. I don't see how your politics means anything.
The priest scandals are about abusing power and perversion. It's not more prevalent with Catholic priests than it is with non-celibate people in power. Nor is celibacy any kind of excuse. Raping children is every bit as forbidden as a priest sleeping with a woman, so it makes no sense that celibacy should lead to homosexual pedophilia when a corrupt priest could just sleep with a woman if they were going to break their vows.
They are perverts and they abuse their power. Just like all other pedophiles who have positions of rank and authority around children.
The story is just more juicy because priests are supposed to be holy and live superior moral lives, the church is rich, and it's a meme.
Teachers, social workers, day care employees, clergy in every other religion, all see incident rates on par with priests. The media just doesn't find those stories as interesting as the Archdiocese getting hit with big lawsuits.
It's depraved no matter who does it, but that is NO REASON for the ACLU to mock the Pope simply because the church's positions and the ACLUs positions don't always align.
Hell, you'd have a hard time finding anyone with whom the ACLU's positions align.
The ACLU smear isn't as depraved as a single act of pedophilia, but it speaks to the people who work there and their hypocrisy and undeserved sense of righteousness.
The bad apple from the ACLU is like a bad priest, their stupid acts spoil the reputation of the group they are associated with.
Posted by: Christopher | Aug 20, 2007 12:03:23 AM
Regarding the "HIV/AIDS in South Africa" diff: Mauritius (as found by the ARIN WHOIS) is not in South Africa...
Posted by: | Aug 20, 2007 4:47:30 AM
One thing that I hope that people realise is that IP edits represent a very small minority of Wikipedia's edits. Most people from CIA, Al Jazeera, BBC, and any other company who are editing Wikipedia have created accounts, and there is no easy way to know that they are from these companies, and hence to attribute their bias. Indeed, there have been many examples where people with a heavy vested interest in changing truth have got to administrator status and have used this status to manipulate truth much more.
Whilst Wiki Scanner is useful in finding what it does find, I hope that people realise that this is just the tip of the iceberg for the problems that Wikipedia can cause. The real serious problems are not caused by anonymous IP editors, but rather by established editors who are changing truth.
One example of this was covered in depth by Wikipedia Review, which you can read about here:
http://wikipediareview.com/blog/20070802/comprehensive-coverage-of-the-slimvirgin-scandal/
If the Wiki Scanner leads people to realise what lies below the tip of the iceberg, then good. I just hope that it doesn't lead to people thinking that this is really all that is wrong with Wikipedia.
Posted by: Blissyu2 | Aug 20, 2007 4:50:26 AM
@B.B. Blacksheep, I think you're looking at the wrong edits. Try these.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=106602379
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=102991128
Posted by: Kevin Poulsen | Aug 20, 2007 10:45:53 AM
HIV/South Africa:
IP 164.151.130.36 is in a group that is *managed* in Mauritius. Go as they say to http://www.afrinic.net/cgi-bin/whois and find that IP 164.151.0.0 - 164.151.255.255 are from :
Government of South Africa
P.O. Box Private Bag X1, Roggebaai
Capetown 8001
And please don't give false information here :-)
Posted by: | Aug 21, 2007 7:50:16 AM
Who has the right to delete history?
Posted by: Adrineh | Aug 21, 2007 10:04:46 PM
The media should be careful to separate the ethical lapses in corporate judgment from the validity of Wikipedia as a whole. I blogged about it from a marketing and PR perspective at http://8alarm.com/2007/08/22/wikiscanner-exposes-ethical-lapses-in-corporate-communications/
Wikipedia is just the messenger. Corporate responsibility is the message.
Posted by: Laura Tanner | Aug 22, 2007 2:32:53 PM
What are the arrows supposed to represent?
Do I hit green Up if it is a good example of outrageousness, i.e. great post about the ACLU's religious bigotry or or every one should know about that shameful act.
Or do I hit red down if it is outrageous, i.e. down with the ACLU's religious bigotry or that's really horrible or shameful.
Some posts are shameful with respect to content and often especially-so when juxtaposed with wiki-editior.
Some posts are just funny.
More clarity in the "rating" mechanism.
Posted by: | Aug 23, 2007 8:27:14 AM
Adrineh,
Wikipedia administrators have the power to delete history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:ADMIN
Posted by: WAvegetarian | Aug 23, 2007 2:59:16 PM
in posted a special notice on the wiki pages and it was removed ,
i had been searching for a name for a new form of money, and upon reading the wiki story saw i needed to name it 'wikiseed/wikigeld'
i duely posted the detail on a wiki page and it was taken down [thing is this is an act of gross theft, you see everyone owns one pound of the seed from the tree of life,
i named it wiki on the spure of the moment but the fact remains we are all entitled to a share from the tree, thing is i need to know where the post has been taken[by who], if wiki they never asked me to explain
it [the wikiseed ] is gifted to all, each was gifted one pound of the seed of the tree[its value has been set [in courts ] at 2500 us dollars[so we arnt talking about pennies here
further its a living currency ,it inflates [grows ] each 1 jan [each new year it has a harvest ,i have deemed a 5 fold increase ,of the one pounf 2 times [the 3rd comes 1 jan 2008, which raises the value we all hold to 32,000 us dollars wikiseed credit we each hold ,
so we are talking about a massive fraud being perputated on all of us ,qwe al;l hold serious m,oney given from god [via the rev 22] but know it not
the eternal living ,loving god, needs no heirs, but we have been given oyur inheritance[equal share to the tree of life [i found the tre, then shared the tree's seed wequally , then wiki pedia suppressed it in some vain gloriously selfish act ,but the fact remains they hold the proodf and the story
but did they suppress it or other hands
i cant work your search program, get the world back the credit from the tree of life [you will be come saint virgil,officially numero 1 uno[number 1] deal???
Posted by: one under god | Aug 23, 2007 10:24:50 PM
Recursive wiki-chicanary
by Frangible
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Perro_de_Presa_Canario#Astanhope_exactly_what_is_your_issue_with_this_breed.3F
So some dude in the middle of an edit war at the perro de presa canario article decides to post "Dog breeding association removes references to multiple fatal maulings of humans" - which then finds it's way into the NZ Herald article, which is then picked up worldwide. Here's the problem, tho - the IP in question is a FRIKKIN AOL PROXY!
Posted by: Frangible | Aug 23, 2007 10:41:39 PM
The AIDS/South Africa story has resulted in the identification and suspension of the person who vandalized the article:
http://www.mydigitallife.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4618&Itemid=38
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Technology/S-African-official-vandalises-Wikipedia-AIDS-content/2007/08/24/1187462531138.html
Posted by: | Aug 26, 2007 12:58:32 PM
i was responding to ur f'n message...mr. moon goes at the catholic church...since i get his info everyday...i should now what he was running his mouth about...
mr. moon thinks he is god..not jesus...god...the catholic church is not a christopher says...
it is about the humblity of a human to reconginize that they are not god...but u just like the rest will have to wait for my book...
btw..chistopher u run ur mouth without speaking...did u take lessons from cheney...that would be dick cheney in case u don't know...i mean dick not richard!!!
Posted by: EXCUSE ME | Aug 26, 2007 4:59:56 PM
oliver north clearly was involved in the nigeragua contra fund ran by moon against the catholics that led to the iran contra affair...
what was it that u knew again???
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Posted by: SAMEDGA | Aug 30, 2007 8:14:54 AM
The submission about "Israelian (sic) embassy makes dead Palestinians disappear" doesn't appear to be supported by the actual edits listed. Maybe I missed something, but it didn't look like they removed the reference to the Palestinian attackers being killed.
Does anyone check these "sightings" before wired puts them up on this blog?
Posted by: Stuart | Aug 30, 2007 10:50:50 AM
i know most of these things are hilarious... but if you stop and step back, they are also very scary.
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Posted by: mnm composites | Sep 10, 2007 3:49:58 AM
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:56:39
To: jwales@wikia.com,
arbcom-l@wikipedia.org
Subject: Quackwatch infiltration of wikipedia (was Re: [Morgellons] Re: some
very telling information about morgwatch/margellons)
Nicole wrote:
> Niels,
>
> I am sorry, but this is DRIVING ME BATTY!!! What is the big deal with
> Wikipedia??? I do not understand, as an intelligent individual, why
> people care so much about a reference site which ISN'T EVEN ACCURATE
> HALF THE TIME!!!! HOW did this thing get to be so big, and HOW can it
> call itself a REFERENCE SOURCE WHEN ANY DEFINITION CAN BE CHANGED?!?
> This makes absolutely ZERO SENSE to me!!!!
Don't ask me... ask the millions of people that use it because it's a free resource on the web; meanwhile Enclyclopedia Brittanica subscriptions cost money, and
won't have entries like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons for a few years. Perhaps it *is* better to have nothing, inplace of the disinformation found in
wikipedia ... Of course, the big advantage to the enclyclopedia brittanica is that that it is an enclyclopedia, written by professionals, using professional
academic standards.
If the Morgellons page on wikipedia is any measure of wikipedia as an enyclopedia -- it will be it's downfall. A place where "National Enquirer"-style articles
from years ago given equal weight with medical papers discussing recent developments with the disease (e.g. http://nielsmayer.com/morgellons07.pdf
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/42/11/24-b http://www.eblue.org/article/PIIS0190962207001958/fulltext ). In fact, given
more-equal weight, as the wikipedia authors prefer salacious descriptions of abandoned patients pouring bleach all over themselves to rid them of this scourge,
over the observations by numerous practitioners treating Morgellons, that it is not "delusional" or "psychosomatic; that it is related to Lyme disease and/or
Chlamydia Pneumoniae and parasitic infection. And information like http://nielsmayer.com/roller/NielsMayer/entry/morgellons_discovery_cure is censored off
wikipedia as it doesn't fit with "morgellonswatch" & quackwatch's hateful spin on this real affliction.
For example, "removal of snake oil pitch" is how their most censorship is titled:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMorgellons&diff=170842973&oldid=170788314
Their labelling of the first scientific experiment involving morgellons patients as "snake oil" shows the level of bias of authors of the page.
It's important to note what they've censored and disparaged as "snake oil" -- the #1 authority on this disease, the head of the Morgellons Research Foundation
http://morgellons.org/medical.htm -- Dr. William T. Harvey, M.D., MPH. Certainly a recognizable, quotable authority on this disease. The reason for the
censorship is obvious, Dr. Harvey says the exact opposite of their "spin" on the morgellons wikipedia page:
> "FYI, this phenomenon in NOT chronic Lyme disease, it's not Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and we are now certain it is NOT Delusions of Parasitosis. The latter in fact, will be the thrust of the paper: the DOP label has resulted in inappropriate and incomplete treatment of countless people who never recovered. Once the final DNA sequencing is done and the paper completed, it will be published with treatment protocol(s) for all clinicians world wide to use. Meanwhile, as both primary organisms create brain limbic system abnormalities, we now understand that the delusional component of the illness is real in many affected (but far from all), so correct psychotropic medication can help that component even if treated purely independently. Nearly half the Morgellons are bipolar, but became so AFTER the parasite infection began. Others have formal diagnoses of extreme OCD or ADD/ADHD. The prevalence in children is no different from adults, and there appear to be no gender or race differences."
We could safely ignore wikipedia as "more internet crap", except that your doctors, family members, employers, or anybody else that decides to lookup
"morgellons", . when they hit the wikipedia morgellons page, they will come away prejudiced against you because the wikipedia morgellons page is hate speech
and lies against sufferers of an emerging disease.
The more important question is why are we allowing people from quackwatch and morgellonswatch to hijack this site when we have numbers on our hands.
So get off your asses, and start fighting the people on there to change the page. If you don't like what it says, start changing things yourself.
If they ban you it's one soldier down... and there'll be more behind you.... There's well over 10,000 of us, and only a handful of them. Once wikipedia learns
the wrath of the Morgellons community, we will be unstoppable. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY YOU MUST FIGHT THEM. THERE ARE NO RULES WHEN WE'RE THE ONES BEING
RELEGATED TO DIE OF UNTREATED INFECTIOUS DISEASE BY THE HATE SPEECH ON WIKIPEDIA THAT TELLS EVERYBODY THAT MORGELLONS PATIENTS ARE DELUSIONAL. Do it in memory
of Karen Stern who died from the atmosphere of prejudice fostered by wikipedia's bias:
http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=support&action=display&thread=1194068968&page=1#1194558231
In addition, if you don't like what's going on there, start making your complaints known to higherups, such as Jimmy Wales and the
arbitratration committee ( arbcom-l@wikipedia.org ).
Hopefully, they're not in the pocket of the AMA and quackwatch. And if they are, that's what investigative journalism is for...
And finally, the brokenness of wikipedia needs to get to the PRESS. Here we have an organization that thinks it's "the next big thing" and wants to take it to
the next level -- to take on google in the search market according to a cover article in "Fast Company" magazine. But for the pages on health issues and medical
malpractice by the mainstream, it's clear that quackwatch has orchestrated a wholesale suppression of information, whitewashing their complicity while
subjecting numerous articles on the site to an inexcusable level of bias:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_v._Rosenthal (page quackwatch changed to coverup their losses)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Barrett (more lies)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Clark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Whitaker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_alternative_medicine
So is this really "the people's" dictionary. Or is it as fraught with the same level of potential deception and self-interest that every google-hit on the
internet should be given, when making an important research decision?? What SEEMS to be happening on wikipedia, is that any pages showing wrongdoing by
big-tobacco, big-pharma, big-insurance, the AMA are whitewashed to make "mainstream medicine" look faultless. Any pages on alternative, experimental medicine,
emerging diseases, or any "questioning" of mainstream medical practices (e.g. Ilena's http://www.humanticsfoundation.com ) ... are again slanted towards
"mainstream medicine" -- any interlopers on their territory are labeled quacks and ridiculed with a level of ad-hominem attack that they themselves do not allow
to occur against "mainstream medicine" doctors ( e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMorgellons&diff=162467805&oldid=162466976 ). And over
and over again, the same quackwatch-orchestrated people on wikipedia are suppressing comments and changes which don't support this bias.
Given the things I read on wikipedia, this is clearly not a resource that can be trusted for information, and in the future, we will not be able to trust it for
search either. The press needs to understand this, and wikipedia marketing needs to understand that if you allow your website to be used as a platform to print
lies and hate-speech, you will not be allowed to get away with it. Your process is broken! FIX IT!!
Also, let's not forget the banning of users associated with trying to correct the quackwatch lies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/NielsMayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nielsp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ilena
The fact that simply by noticing that the same quackwatch people banning 'user:Ilena' had also been harassing and banning 'user:Nielsp' and 'user:NielsMayer'...
the fact that this user simply posted a letter from user:Ilena in his unblock request (again censored by Fyslee) naming the quackwatch perpetrators that have
been bullying people on wikipedia... that alone got a home-firewall to be erroneously called an "open proxy" (impossible) and allowed them to claim that all
three users are sockpuppets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/75.83.171.237 ... the fact that this has been allowed to happen and
go unchallenged, gives us a pretty good idea of what wikipedia is worth and how ridiculous their rules and processes and "hearings" are. (Wikipedia is like
an internet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_court ).
Fortunately a second system will come, fix all these stupid problems, and wikipedia will hopefully be as well-remembered the 'Visicalc' of online
enclyclopedias. (Except visicalc always came up with correct results, whereas wikipedia comes up with lies).
Anyways, the press is clearly where this needs to go... to properly expose the soft-white-underbelly of wikipedia that allows self-interested parties to bully
away the truth.
Posted by: Niels | Nov 16, 2007 9:27:53 AM
Hi, great article, i have bookmarked it... its really funny (and maybe scary) that some people NEED to edit their own Bio to make them look better. Anyway, if you are a Wikipedia user, try Wikli... its the path to Wikipedia...
Thanks, fuser
Posted by: Fuser | Nov 29, 2007 3:38:00 PM
Isn't opening voting on this issue odd? I guess "spinning the voting on spin jobs" would be a fun follow-up story.