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&lt;p&gt;The &lt;a
href=&quot;http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?i=8b722b800612032144j1711060by4a60db0e8a051460@mail.gmail.com&quot;&gt;announcement&lt;/a&gt;
of a &quot;WikiChix&quot; list for female only discussion has prompted a huge thread on
WikiEN-l. As previously seen in discussion about an administrator only IRC
channel or email list, proposals for separate spaces are particular troubling
to communities with liberal egalitarian ideals. Formally excluding anyone
from the larger community prompts questions of: is this fair?, is this
discriminatory?, shouldn&apos;t we ensure the common space is accessible rather
than spinning off groups? Of course, the free speech ideals of the community
would not permit the restriction of speech in the common space in any case
and there will always those that would want to test any boundaries. (I&apos;m fond
of the norm of &lt;a
href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don&apos;t_disrupt_Wikipedia_to_make_a_point&quot;&gt;Do
not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point&lt;/a&gt; for this reason.) In my
response to the thread I &lt;a
href=&quot;http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?i=200612061100.47174.reagle@mit.edu&quot;&gt;wrote&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;... In my informal observation of similar communities, I haven&apos;t
  perceived a decrease in female presence after the provisioning of a female
  space. A counter hypothesis is that: women who have a more supportive space
  to fall back upon will become more comfortable in speaking in the common
  spaces.&lt;/p&gt;

  &lt;p&gt;In any case, the presumption of equality and the objection to separate
  spaces -- as this thread evidences -- is quite interesting, and happens
  again, and again, and again! :) &lt;a
  href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=423703&quot;&gt;Wilson
  (2003)&lt;/a&gt; notes such discussions orbit a *presumption* of equality.&lt;/p&gt;

  &lt;blockquote&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;In order to defend their views of a just world and equality, three
    strategies have been adopted by the participants in the study:&lt;/p&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;1. The situation is changing (and men seem to believe this)&lt;/p&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;2. Men and women are seen as equal but different -- women do not enjoy
    competing as much. This would be supported by the data from both the
    questionnaires and interviews where women were using computers less, have
    less confidence in their abilities, and are more attracted to the
    arts.&lt;/p&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;3. There is a misperception that computing and technology is for
    males.&lt;/p&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;(Wilson 2003:138)&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

  &lt;p&gt;The interesting consequence is that even if there is gender bias no
  action on the part of females is taken because (1) those females who
  believe there are equal opportunities will see no reason for action; (2)
  those who believe there is a misperception or that women feel less
  confident will be tolerant of encouragement for women, but they are also
  content see the status quo maintained; and (3) the women who believe in
  their equal abilities do not want to be singled out for special treatment
  and may therefore &quot;count themselves out and express ambivalence&quot; (p.
  138).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the end, the WikiChix list was moved from being hosted by Wikimedia,
which might carry the presumption of endorsing exclusive discrimination, to a
non-Wikipedia host.&lt;/p&gt;

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